Experimentation Conclusions… FINALLY.

I almost gave up on this because I had to keep starting over and junk, and it was ridiculously frustrating at times, but I’ve finally finished my Story Progression Experiments! Thank goodness. Now we can compare the results. I hope you’re prepared for a wall of information and some Tired Starla rambling, lol.

I started each save file the same way: a fresh Sunset Valley with NPCs annihilated via MasterController and respawned by the game. No vampires or celebrities were created by me. I played for two sim weeks (it was going to be six, but I just didn’t have the patience for it) and jotted down the stats from MasterController (god bless MC) as I went along. I really hope you find this information useful :D

EASP – I’m going to note here that while it was only EA’s Story Progression, it wasn’t an entirely vanilla game. I also had AwesomeMod installed (the test version), BUT it was configured to where everything but the NoVanillaPudding option was disabled. I just really can’t go without my NoVanillaPudding (it prevents newly spawned sims from having the same "face 1" face, in case you didn’t know).

Beginning Stats:

Households 25
Residents 69
Homeless 1
Pregnancies 2
Unemployed 17
Retired 2
Working 40
Married 12
Steady 1

End Stats:

Households 34
Residents 63
Homeless 13
Pregnancies 0
Unemployed 32
Retired 4
Working 39
Married 10
Steady 5

End Totals:

Total Vampires: 3
Total Celebrities: 17 ★
Total Births: 2
Total Marriages: 0
Total Emigration: 5
Total Random Deaths: 5
Total Natural Deaths: 2

Pros: Smooth gameplay, vampire creation wasn’t too ridiculous. I also like that Pauline Wan got fat XD
Cons: No pregnancies, no marriages, too many random deaths, too much emigration, too many celebrities, NPCs not included in romance, no gay sims, too much homelessness, too many unemployed… I sound so picky, but I’ve been spoiled. Don’t judge me :P

At the end of the two weeks, there was only one child in town, and no babies or toddlers. Most sims were becoming elders with no children to speak of. The numbers were going down, so I ‘m pretty sure that the outlook for this save file wasn’t good. RIP EASP Sunset Valley.

EASP Conclusions: Obviously every save file will be different, so I’m not saying EASP is awful. You could have a really active town one time and a dead one the next. I’ve seen it happen, and not just with EA’s SP. And maybe if I’d played a little longer things would’ve perked up, but I just couldn’t do it. I’ve been playing with EASP for weeks now and the results have been similar most of the time. There are people out there who’ve been able to make it work for them and I have nothing but respect for those of you who can deal with it. I’m just too impatient XD Maybe someday.

I also despise random deaths and emigration. They suck so bad.

AMSPI decided to play the Wolff family with this save file because I got bored, so some of the beginning stats will be one less than EASP’s.

Beginning Stats:

Households 24
Residents 68
Homeless 1
Pregnancies 2
Unemployed 16
Retired 2
Working 40
Married 12
Steady 1

End Stats:

Households 35
Residents 73
Homeless 8
Pregnancies 0
Unemployed 25
Retired 0
Working 50
Married 13
Steady 3

End Totals:

Total Vampires: 0
Total Celebrities: 0
Total Births: 5
Total Marriages: 2
Total Emigration: 0
Total Random Deaths: 0
Total Natural Deaths: 2

Pros: Smooth gameplay, a more "natural" feel, a good balance in careers, decent amount of marriages and births, no emigration or random deaths, yay. Claire Ursine lost weight (I really do like the weight gain/loss thing). 
Cons: Crib and double bed checks, which causes sims to move around a lot (or not have babies if they don’t have cribs), no celebrity or vampire creation (it is kind of nice to have that I guess), NPCs not included in romance, aaaand no gay sims. I think that’s about it, unless you don’t like the idea that it’s a core mod. I guess that could be a problem for some.

AMSP Conclusions: I think AMSP is pretty middle-of-the-road. It makes sure your town doesn’t die, it keeps it active, but it doesn’t go overboard either. Despite the cons, I really enjoyed it. It was like what EASP was supposed to be. I do enjoy the threat of a good old fashioned vampire invasion, though, and AMSP lacks that. Sure, I can create my own celebrities and vampires, but I kind of like it when they do it on their own. Also, I’d like my NPCs to be available for romance as well. I don’t know if there’s a way to allow that with AM, but it’s not really a deal breaker or anything.

I really do like it though, and I think I might try and use it sometime. Eventually I’d like to see how it does in the long term. Would it be too slow to keep up with a legacy family? NOOOOBODY KNOOOOWS!

Well someone might know, but I don’t.

TSP – This time I played with Christopher Steel (he married Bebe Hart and they are my new OTP). I only had The StoryProgression in, no extras or anything. I set SP to work at Snail pace and tweaked a few settings to my liking, disabling all pop ups as well.

Beginning Stats:

Households 24
Residents 68
Homeless 1
Pregnancies 2
Unemployed 16
Retired 0
Working 42
Married 12
Steady 1

End Stats:

Households 38
Residents 93
Homeless 8
Pregnancies 0
Unemployed 53
Retired 0
Working 42
Married 19
Steady 15

End Totals:

Total Vampires: 0
Total Celebrities: 0
Total Births: 6
Total Marriages: 4
Total Emigration: 0
Total Random Deaths: 0
Total Natural Deaths: 2

Pros: Without the pop ups and all of  the extra stuff, the gameplay is pretty smooth :) There was a decent amount of marriages and births, NPCs were able to find love, sims could become gay, and Jack Bunch even lost weight.
Cons: The only cons I can really think of are just that sims are being told what to do instead of given a little nudge to do their own thing. It doesn’t affect gameplay, it’s more just my petty opinion than anything. Not having the pop ups was kind of confusing at times, especially when Jamie Jolina was pregnant with someone’s baby but was dating someone else, and also when sims broke up and such, but I used Gossip, the newspaper, and MC to figure things out. Also, I guess if you don’t feel like fiddling with a bunch of options just to have the town the way you want it, it could be a con. Sometimes it is a little tiring.

TSP Conclusions: So basically Twallan has made it to where it’s nearly impossible for your town to die, and if you have any problems with anything, it’s most likely your fault. For example, my huge amount of unemployed sims is because I turned Auto Find Job to false. The lack of vampires and celebrities is because I set the percentage very low to be a little more realistic. It takes a bit of configuration if you’re picky like I am, but Twallan has given you all the tools you need to create your perfect game.

Final Conclusions: I honestly think EASP needs work before I can enjoy it, unfotunately. AMSP is definitely a great mod and if you compare the end totals with TSP, they’re almost the same. I’d love to work with it more to see how far it can go, maybe after the legacy is over. Twallan’s is great as well, especially once the lag is gone, and obviously since I’ve used it for so long I’ve gotten so used to the options it has it’s hard to let them go. It all comes down to how YOU want your game to be.

But regardless of what mod does what and what mod doesn’t do whatever, the creators of these things are completely amazing and deserve nothing but respect and honor and glory and ponies. They’ve worked hard to keep everyone happy and really ask for nothing in return. Everyone should somehow find their addresses and send them thank you cards with money in them*. Or do like I did in my dream last night and find their phone numbers and give them a call* (I think I’ll be taking a break from playing for a day or so because of this :P).

*Don’t do either of these, it’s creepy.

Oh, and also, here are the file sizes of each save file (the .nhd file), in case you’re curious:

EASP: 30.8 MB
AMSP: 31.6 MB
TSP: 34.1 MB

JEEZE, STARLA, SHUT UP ALREADY.

So that’s that. I hope you were able to feel like reading this wasn’t a complete and utter waste of time, and to get a little feel for what these mods have to offer. When choosing one, it really all boils down to player preferences, but I did learn a few cool things from doing this, and despite the problems, I had fun.

COMING SOON: A fresh and clean TS3 resources page and (possibly, maybe, finally) a Creeper update!  I’m shutting up now and probably taking a nice break from simming for a day or two. Thank you if you’re still reading <3

Happy simming, everyone!

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28 thoughts on “Experimentation Conclusions… FINALLY.

  1. “..the creators of these things are completely amazing and deserve nothing but respect and honor and glory and ponies.” Hahahaha, SO true! I’ve said before I’d totally have Twallan’s sim-babies. ;) He’s awesome. I’ve never used awesomemod, but your results seemed to reinforce my own conclusions–that I like the way Twallan’s mods work in my game.

    Thank you for taking all that time to test those out! <3

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  2. Wow, congratulations on testing these all out! I was able to play a legacy family till the fifth generation or so with just EA’s SP, can you believe it? Then I got tired of it (stuff happened, like single male sims suddenly having babies on their own with no mothers, wtf) and decided to try FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, using a mod, since I heard so many good things about Twallan’s SP. And now I can’t live without it xD.

    Agreed with you on the “the creators of these things are completely amazing and deserve nothing but respect and honor and glory and ponies” part, they do a better SP than EA’s one and THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR IT. They do it simply because they are awesome human beings! I would totally have Twallan’s babies as well.

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    1. Thank you! Wow, no, I can’t believe that! I would’ve been driven nuts I think XD I’m glad you’ve found a mod that works well for you!

      Yeah, exactly! It amazes me, the stuff they go through for nothing. They’re awesome people.

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    1. No problem! In the General Settings, near the top, it says Speed, I think, and it’s set on Default. If you click on it, though, it’ll give you other options like Snail, Slow, Fast, and Rabbit. It’ll just set the pace of the whole mod.

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  3. My first legacy, the Superbias, is at Gen9 (child-toddler age)… with only EASP, because I didn’t realize I had other options. After it’s finished (no blog, sorry, it got randomly deleted from the web) I’ll probably think about using a mod. AMSP scares me, mainly because AM wouldn’t let my game start up, so I deleted it when I tried to use it.
    Also, I think now with generations things might perk up a bit in EASP (I was at the park and I found my sim’s parents kissing and flirting while the teens and children played- my sim was oldest thus moved out).

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      1. Wow, how did your town do? Did you add residents every now and then?

        I haven’t had any problems with AM so far. *knocks on wood*

        I was hoping they would. In my first Generations tester game, there was an inactive pregnancy, but it didn’t seem to do much after that : It would be nice if it did though.

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  4. You know, I’ve used AMSP and had Twallan sitting in the background, and when generations came out I decided to try his SP. And Honestly, I’ve been confused about the differences. I guess I didn’t know what I was looking at. But after reading all of this work, and kudos for you on doing AND completeing it, Im noticing how my games were really similar to your tests. And, now Im going to pay further attention. Though Im really liking TSP. it feels so flowy.

    Way to go, and I understand your need not to play for a day or so. :]

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  5. Only 6 births in 2 weeks with Twallan’s SP? That seems low, but you did say you changed the settings.
    Thanks for this – I have now decided I am firmly staying with Twallan’s SP. I like all the options, and, like you, wouldn’t be able to give them up :P Also, Twallan updates his mods really fast after updates/new EPs.

    (I’ve noticed EASP works better if you don’t change the active family, but that might’ve just been my game.)

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    1. And now I reread the original post about your test – I see you set the lifespan to long. I need to work on my paying attention skills XP

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      1. Yeah I changed the SP settings to Snail pace. And originally I had it on Long lifespan, but I changed it back to Normal because I don’t ever really play on Long, lol. That was one of the reasons why I had to start testing over.

        I definitely agree with that, it’s so hard to give the dozens of options up.

        I’ve never tried that with EASP!

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  6. You’re insane.

    BUT THIS INFORMATION WAS HELPFUL THANK YOU :3

    I’ll probs stick with Twallan because I’m used to it, but maybe I’ll turn off popups and not have so many extras so it runs smoother. BUT MAN I LOVE WHAT’S GOING ON IN TOWN QQ

    Decisions. -_-

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    1. No you!

      Haha you’re welcome.

      Yeah I know, it’s nice to know, but also not nice to know. It’s a tough decision, but it doesn’t seem like it should be XD

      <3

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  7. Starla, thanks for all your hard work on this! I’m a database developer and love analytical stuff like this, so I really appreciate your efforts.

    I will definitely be staying with Twallan’s SP. As I have already told him, he is the sole reason that I still play The Sims 3. If I can’t rotate families, I get bored very quickly. I want to play out the lives of my legacy spares as well as the torch holder, and his mod lets me do that.

    Now, I’m off to read the new Creeper entry! Cheers!

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    1. Ahh, no problem! And I just got nerdily giddy about the fact that you’re a database developer. That’s so awesome :D

      Definitely! I agree, fully.

      :D Thank you <3

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  8. I was just curious if you would/could post the exact settings you put for TSP. I would greatly appreciate it. And congrats on doing the experiment, and completing, I don’t know how you did it! I would have gotten frustrated!

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    1. Thank you so much!

      Yep, I will get those posted as soon as jump back into the game and write them down :D I had them written down, but I think I changed some things afterwards.

      So we’ll mark that as ‘COMING SOON’!

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  9. Arrgh. Based on this thread’s advice, I’m downloading AwesomeMod. Not 100% in love with it — I’ve always had problems with mods and such.

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  10. This wasn’t boring at all! I’ve always struggled with the choice between AMSP and TSP. I used to use AMSP and when I saw Twallen’s post about his mod I was disgusted. I thought it was so stupid that everything was just done by numbers. But after seeing people use TSP in their stories it seemed really cool. You only played with AMSP for two sim weeks, but after 4 generations the town is pretty lame. I used to go on a woohoo rampage throughout the town every time one of my sims got pregnant. This became a habit after I made one of my teenagers a lesbian simply because there were no male teenagers in the town. So although I like that AMSP is more natural I switched to TSP. Now the town is filled with kids and teenagers without any prodding from myself. I still can’t live without AM (mostly because you can switch households so quickly) but I play with Twallens now.

    Anyways I think I will follow your advice. I really enjoy the stories but it would be kind of nice for the town to be more of a mystery(and now with memories you can always see what they’ve been up to later if you like). How do you turn off the popups anyways? Is it under the “Stories” option because if so there’s a friends and family option. It would be nice and realistic to know what they’re up to.

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  11. I only play mod-less. I’m scared if I try even one mod I will be addicted then I will have a laggy, crashy, poopy game to deal with.

    I reeeeeealy want to get a sperm band type one though so my gay sims can have biological families. But the only sperm bank I can find is the full hospital overhaul and i wont use it. No abortion in my game, it will make me cry!

    So I want to use this one http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=402889 because I can use it to impregnate my lesbian sims and I can use a surrogate mother for gay sims without being unfaithful.

    I am very very very tempted.
    anyways…./rant.

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  12. Im such a noob but u know how you get those little popups about other citizens? Is that like a setting with Twallans mod or something?

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